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Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Something Good from Ergun...

Here's something good that I heard Ergun Caner say today. These are some of his hints that we're in a cultural crisis. You know that North America is in a cultural crisis when...

...Kids cursing God's name in a high school play are applauded but kids invoking God's name in a prayer are suspended.

...It's safer to be in an eagle's nest than a mother's womb.

...When a murder has more 'rights' than the victim he killed.

...When schools won't give out grades because they're scared of hurting kids feelings but they're happy to pass out condoms and hurting their futures.

...When we get all sympathetic over the Saudi's screaming about a flushed Qu'ran when it is illegal and forbidden to even own a bible in their own country.

...When we call terrorists who blow up day care centers 'freedom fighters' but we call pastors who build daycare center 'racists bigots'.

...When a man can sleep in a bed with many boys, admit to it happily, and found 'not guilty by reason of celebrity'.

...When blasphemy is covered by free speech but wishing someone a 'merry Christmas' is considered 'hate language'.

I hope that offends horribly. Well, Ergun does. I'm just quoting him. Ergun is the 'Chuck Norris' of apologetics and he's about the roundhouse kick your worldview. Until Next Time,

The Armchair Theologian


Blogger Zac said...

Ergun is a dork. Check out to see an article about him written today (Feb. 27th)

6:18 PM

Blogger The Armchair Theologian said...

Well, thanks for your opinion. Here's a penny.

Okay okay...In all seriousness, I've only heard two talks by Ergun. They were both fantastic, but I don't know much about him at all. He may in fact be a nutcase. Then again, you may be a nutcase too. Or maybe I'M a nutcase...well, that's pretty much an assumed fact where I'm from. Either way, I'm not some HUGE Ergun fan. Calling names isn't nice should be nice to Ergun. If you're not I'll tell him and he'll freaking scalp you.

Muslims scalp people, right?

9:23 PM

Blogger The Armchair Theologian said...

Wowzer Zac. I read the debate between White and Caner; two men that I definitely respect. I will say this:

Caner is an amazing man, doing amazing apologetic work and evangelism in the Islamic world and secular academy. He's a great thinker who, in two sermons, has impacted me as a Christian.

None the less, I agree with White. As I search the scriptures, I find that I'm a 7-point Calvinist. I think White has the exegetical and theological case, hands down.

None the less, I don't think it matters because White is a freaking jerk to Caner and Caner will most likely NEVER listen to a word he has to say because of it. The way that White comes out all aggressive and slanderous is an embarassment to the church. I would hope that White has way more tact and grace in public than he has in private.

I would also lay serious money that the reason Caner and the other Arminians hold their position is NOT due to biblical conviction, nor exegetical reasoning, or's most likely because a nice Arminian told them about it and Calvinism is often peddled by assholes.

I used to hate the way that the reformed dudes shoveled their "my way or the wide way" attitude at me. Sure, NOW I'm convinced that the Bible teaches such things, but I got there through personal bible study and prayerful searching for truth. I sure as heck didn't want to listen to the guys who only ever wanted punch me in the face with the scriptures. Because they seemed to always want to have a bible fight, or an inquisition, or DEBATE (and I HATE debates) on Calvinism, I didn't even want to listen.

US Calvinists (and I DO include myself in this camp) need BETTER THEOLOGY. A lot more prayer, love, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control and positive encouragement to really wrestle with the scriptures and a whole lot less 'bible bitch slaps'. Our doctrine may be accurate, but some of our practice is a steaming pile of hypocrisy. If 'they will know we are Christians by our love', then most of 'them' won't have a clue.

10:20 PM

Blogger Zac said...

I couldn't disagree more. I didn't see any lack of respect from White. And I don't think he shoveled his Calvinism on Caner. I'm not even sure what that means.

7:24 AM

Blogger The Armchair Theologian said...

Well, now you get two pennies.

1:15 PM

Blogger The Armchair Theologian said...

Let's see...You don't find that White showed any lack of respect to Caner...and your first comment on this post is "Ergun is a dork". Is THAT showing any lack or respect to Caner? Hmmm...I'm not really surprised that you see White as being respectful.

8:08 AM

Blogger Zac said...

Ha. Well because I nor James White speak how you would prefer that makes us disrespectful? Perhaps if you would stop trying to bind people's consciences with something other than the word of God (e.g., your own opinion) then perhaps things might go better for you.

But I never claimed that I respected Caner; I don't. You claimed that White was disrespectful; I thought he was quite restrained and respectful given what Caner was saying.

8:36 AM

Blogger The Armchair Theologian said...

You suggest that name calling is some form of showing respect?

And as for the scripture, how about theses:

1 Thessalonians 5:12-14 -

"Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you. Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone."

Or 1 Peter 2:17 -

"Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king."

Or 1 Peter 3:15-16 -

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander."

You admitted outright that you don't respect Caner. The bible says you should respect any of these verses bind the conscience? Do any of these apply to Zac Henlsey? I'm curious to see your response...

9:36 AM


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